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	<title>Comments on: Clinical Use of MDMA, Part 1</title>
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	<description>biomedical research, just another job...</description>
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		<title>By: Clinical MDMA Brief (28 Nov 2009) [DrugMonkey] &#187; iThinkEducation.net!</title>
		<link>http://drugmonkey.wordpress.com/2007/12/03/clinical-use-of-mdma-part-1/#comment-3534</link>
		<dc:creator>Clinical MDMA Brief (28 Nov 2009) [DrugMonkey] &#187; iThinkEducation.net!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 02:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Stress Disorder. If you haven&#8217;t been following along some of my prior observations are here, here, here. If you want everything I&#8217;ve opined on this drug, click the MDMA link under the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Stress Disorder. If you haven&#8217;t been following along some of my prior observations are here, here, here. If you want everything I&#8217;ve opined on this drug, click the MDMA link under the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Finding God in the Brain: That Psilocybin Study &#171; DrugMonkey</title>
		<link>http://drugmonkey.wordpress.com/2007/12/03/clinical-use-of-mdma-part-1/#comment-3002</link>
		<dc:creator>Finding God in the Brain: That Psilocybin Study &#171; DrugMonkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 19:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] particularly for those that may be skeptical of either psychological experimental methods or what may be viewed as druggie &#8220;science&#8221;. This type of attitude may also be why the paper was accompanied by an editorial and four [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] particularly for those that may be skeptical of either psychological experimental methods or what may be viewed as druggie &#8220;science&#8221;. This type of attitude may also be why the paper was accompanied by an editorial and four [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Robey</title>
		<link>http://drugmonkey.wordpress.com/2007/12/03/clinical-use-of-mdma-part-1/#comment-2169</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Robey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very nice post.  I look forward to the next installment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very nice post.  I look forward to the next installment.</p>
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		<title>By: drugmonkey</title>
		<link>http://drugmonkey.wordpress.com/2007/12/03/clinical-use-of-mdma-part-1/#comment-2126</link>
		<dc:creator>drugmonkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;good evidence&quot; is the constant drumbeat of studies showing neuropsych problems in long abstinent users. Unfortunately these are flawed by the usual caveats, most specifically the near-universal cannabis smoking. However the question of long-term effects of cannabis alone is a whole &#039;nother issue that complicates.

Beyond that, my reading is that the situation is highly similar to other situations of looking at effects of drug exposure. Likely the majority of casual users (and even not so casual users) of drugs are not going to notice specific long term consequences. Some are and they are going to have various confidences in attributing it to their use of any particular drug. Or for that matter attributing a fraction of their problem to drug exposure. (by way of example, those with a family history of alcoholism score worse on certain neuropsych tests that abstinent alcoholics do poorly on. take a  family history positive alcoholic and ask what fraction of his impairment is due to the genetic risk and what fraction to the actual alcohol exposure). This is why we need step by step animal research studies to test the hypotheses. but you knew that...

with respect to &quot;long-term delayed neurotoxicity&quot; there&#039;s probably someone else around here (ahem) who can give you a better read. The stereotypical &quot;serotonergic neurotoxicity&quot; paradigm data suggest that the simple hypothesis (massive serotonin disruption) isn&#039;t the answer to the lasting cognitive problems. 
Although the Ricaurte 2002 debacle was technically fubar, the underlying principle of &quot;partial depletions putting one down the road to disaster&quot; still has merit and is basically untested to date. even in a rat a full aging study is not fun. ain&#039;t nobody going to do this in one of the usual primate species with decades-long lifespans. 
I find Giorgi et al 2005 of interest because it gets into a new area for MDMA, found no monoaminergic effects and the idea of temporal lobe regions being altered in a way that influences seizure threshold leads to some rather obvious hypotheses about cognition. memory in particular. the prior obsession with &quot;serotonin neurotoxicity&quot; as &lt;b&gt;the&lt;/b&gt; animal model has delayed branching out into other areas. the focus was on what &quot;worked&quot; rather than what might really address the underlying clinical problem, if there was one. don&#039;t get me started...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;good evidence&#8221; is the constant drumbeat of studies showing neuropsych problems in long abstinent users. Unfortunately these are flawed by the usual caveats, most specifically the near-universal cannabis smoking. However the question of long-term effects of cannabis alone is a whole &#8216;nother issue that complicates.</p>
<p>Beyond that, my reading is that the situation is highly similar to other situations of looking at effects of drug exposure. Likely the majority of casual users (and even not so casual users) of drugs are not going to notice specific long term consequences. Some are and they are going to have various confidences in attributing it to their use of any particular drug. Or for that matter attributing a fraction of their problem to drug exposure. (by way of example, those with a family history of alcoholism score worse on certain neuropsych tests that abstinent alcoholics do poorly on. take a  family history positive alcoholic and ask what fraction of his impairment is due to the genetic risk and what fraction to the actual alcohol exposure). This is why we need step by step animal research studies to test the hypotheses. but you knew that&#8230;</p>
<p>with respect to &#8220;long-term delayed neurotoxicity&#8221; there&#8217;s probably someone else around here (ahem) who can give you a better read. The stereotypical &#8220;serotonergic neurotoxicity&#8221; paradigm data suggest that the simple hypothesis (massive serotonin disruption) isn&#8217;t the answer to the lasting cognitive problems.<br />
Although the Ricaurte 2002 debacle was technically fubar, the underlying principle of &#8220;partial depletions putting one down the road to disaster&#8221; still has merit and is basically untested to date. even in a rat a full aging study is not fun. ain&#8217;t nobody going to do this in one of the usual primate species with decades-long lifespans.<br />
I find Giorgi et al 2005 of interest because it gets into a new area for MDMA, found no monoaminergic effects and the idea of temporal lobe regions being altered in a way that influences seizure threshold leads to some rather obvious hypotheses about cognition. memory in particular. the prior obsession with &#8220;serotonin neurotoxicity&#8221; as <b>the</b> animal model has delayed branching out into other areas. the focus was on what &#8220;worked&#8221; rather than what might really address the underlying clinical problem, if there was one. don&#8217;t get me started&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: physioprof</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 18:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s the consensus on long-term delayed neurotoxicity from MDMA? Is there any good evidence that people who ingested a lot of MDMA as young adults without apparent adverse effects will be subject to neurological problems later in life?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s the consensus on long-term delayed neurotoxicity from MDMA? Is there any good evidence that people who ingested a lot of MDMA as young adults without apparent adverse effects will be subject to neurological problems later in life?</p>
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